Joseph Smith's trustworthiness - Revision history

GregSmith: /* Brigham Young (1855): "he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived." */

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Brigham Young (1855): "he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived."

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	The history of Joseph and Mary is given to us by their best friends, and precisely as we will give the history of the Prophet Joseph. We know him to have been a good man, we know that he performed his mission, we know that he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived. Let the enemies of Joseph and Mary give their characters to us, and you would be strongly tempted to believe as the Jews believe. Let the enemies of Jesus give his character to us, and, in the absence of the testimony of his friends, I do not know but that the present Christian world would all be Jews, so far as their belief that Jesus Christ was an impostor and one of the most degraded men that ever lived.<ref>{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|vol=3\|start=366\|disc=51\|date=6 October 1855}}</ref>		The history of Joseph and Mary is given to us by their best friends, and precisely as we will give the history of the Prophet Joseph. We know him to have been a good man, we know that he performed his mission, we know that he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived. Let the enemies of Joseph and Mary give their characters to us, and you would be strongly tempted to believe as the Jews believe. Let the enemies of Jesus give his character to us, and, in the absence of the testimony of his friends, I do not know but that the present Christian world would all be Jews, so far as their belief that Jesus Christ was an impostor and one of the most degraded men that ever lived.<ref>{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|vol=3\|start=366\|disc=51\|date=6 October 1855}}</ref>
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			=Joseph on himself=

			Joseph Smith:
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			:...during this time, as is common to most, or all youths, I fell into many vices and follies; but as my accusers are, and have been forward to accuse me of being guilty of gross and outrageous violations of the peace and good order of the community, I take the occasion to remark that, though as I have said above, 'as is common to most, or all youths, I fell into many vices and follies,' I have not, neither can it be sustained, in truth, been guilty of wronging or injuring any man or society of men; and those imperfections to which I allude, and for which I have often had occasion to lament, were a light, and too often, vain mind, exhibiting a foolish and trifling conversation. This being all, and the worst, that my accusers can substantiate against my moral character, I wish to add that it is not without a deep feeling of regret that I am thus called upon in answer to my own conscience, to fulfil a duty I owe to myself, as well as to the cause of truth, in making this public confession of my former uncircumspect walk, and trifling conversation and more particularly, as I often acted in violation of those holy precepts which I knew came from God. But as the 'Articles and Covenants,' of this Church are plain upon this particular point, I do not deem it important to proceed further. I only add, that I do not, nor never have, pretended to be any other than a man 'subject to passion,' and liable, without the assisting grace of the Savior, to deviate from that perfect path in which all men are commanded to walk.<ref>Letter to Oliver Cowdery [December 1834]; cited in Jessee, 336–337.</ref>
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GregSmith: /* B.H. Roberts was a believer in the divine origin of the Book of Mormon, and talked of young Joseph Smith as he sat up late detailing to the family the wonderful conversations he had with the angel */

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B.H. Roberts was a believer in the divine origin of the Book of Mormon, and talked of young Joseph Smith as he sat up late detailing to the family the wonderful conversations he had with the angel

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	==B.H. Roberts was a believer in the divine origin of the Book of Mormon, and talked of young Joseph Smith as he sat up late detailing to the family the wonderful conversations he had with the angel==		==B.H. Roberts was a believer in the divine origin of the Book of Mormon, and talked of young Joseph Smith as he sat up late detailing to the family the wonderful conversations he had with the angel==

	B.H. Roberts [[B.H. Roberts' testimony of the Book of Mormon)\|retained his belief that the Book of Mormon was of divine origin]] up until the end of his life. Yet, according to one critical website, B.H. Roberts "postulated that it was certainly possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own." <ref>"Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon?", MormonThink.com</ref> Roberts, however, believed that Joseph had conversations with the Angel Moroni.		B.H. Roberts [[B.H. Roberts' testimony of the Book of Mormon\|retained his belief that the Book of Mormon was of divine origin]] up until the end of his life. Yet, according to one critical website, B.H. Roberts "postulated that it was certainly possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own." <ref>"Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon?", MormonThink.com</ref> Roberts, however, believed that Joseph had conversations with the Angel Moroni.

	B.H. Roberts, in his critical study of the Book of Mormon, pointed out how future critics might make use of this.		B.H. Roberts, in his critical study of the Book of Mormon, pointed out how future critics might make use of this.

GregSmith: /* Next remark: wishing the boy well? */

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Next remark: wishing the boy well?

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			=Brigham Young (1855): "he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived."=

			The history of Joseph and Mary is given to us by their best friends, and precisely as we will give the history of the Prophet Joseph. We know him to have been a good man, we know that he performed his mission, we know that he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived. Let the enemies of Joseph and Mary give their characters to us, and you would be strongly tempted to believe as the Jews believe. Let the enemies of Jesus give his character to us, and, in the absence of the testimony of his friends, I do not know but that the present Christian world would all be Jews, so far as their belief that Jesus Christ was an impostor and one of the most degraded men that ever lived.<ref>{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|vol=3\|start=366\|disc=51\|date=6 October 1855}}</ref>
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	=Did B.H. Roberts state that it was possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own?=		=Did B.H. Roberts state that it was possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own?=

GregSmith at 04:14, 20 May 2024

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	==B.H. Roberts was a believer in the divine origin of the Book of Mormon, and talked of young Joseph Smith as he sat up late detailing to the family the wonderful conversations he had with the angel==		==B.H. Roberts was a believer in the divine origin of the Book of Mormon, and talked of young Joseph Smith as he sat up late detailing to the family the wonderful conversations he had with the angel==

	B.H. Roberts retained his belief that the Book of Mormon was of divine origin up until the end of his life. Yet, according to one critical website, B.H. Roberts "postulated that it was certainly possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own." <ref>"Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon?", MormonThink.com</ref> Roberts, however, believed that Joseph had conversations with the Angel Moroni.		B.H. Roberts [[B.H. Roberts' testimony of the Book of Mormon)\|retained his belief that the Book of Mormon was of divine origin]] up until the end of his life. Yet, according to one critical website, B.H. Roberts "postulated that it was certainly possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own." <ref>"Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon?", MormonThink.com</ref> Roberts, however, believed that Joseph had conversations with the Angel Moroni.

	B.H. Roberts, in his critical study of the Book of Mormon, pointed out how future critics might make use of this.		B.H. Roberts, in his critical study of the Book of Mormon, pointed out how future critics might make use of this.

GregSmith at 04:09, 20 May 2024

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GregSmith at 01:01, 7 May 2024

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	\|L1=Question: Was Joseph Smith, Jr. known as a "disreputable person?"		\|L1=Question: Was the young Joseph Smith a teller of "tall tales"
	\|L2=Question: Do Joseph Smith's personality and temperament indicate that he was not a true prophet of God?		\|L2=Question: Was Joseph Smith, Jr. known as a "disreputable person"
	~~\|L3=Stephen H. Webb: "Evidence That Demands Our Amazement... Joseph Smith was a remarkable person"~~		\|L3=Question: Do Joseph Smith's personality and temperament indicate that he was not a true prophet of God
	\|L4=Question: Did Joseph Smith engage in "land speculation" in Nauvoo?		\|L4=Question: Did Joseph Smith engage in "land speculation" in Nauvoo
	\|L5=Question: Did Joseph Smith really tell Orrin Porter Rockwell 'it was right to steal'?		\|L5=Question: Did Joseph Smith really tell Orrin Porter Rockwell 'it was right to steal'
	\|L6~~=Question: Was the young Joseph Smith a teller of "tall tales"?~~		\|L6=Question: Did B.H. Roberts state that it was possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own
	~~\|L7~~=Question: Did B.H. Roberts state that it was possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own?		\|L7=Stephen H. Webb: "Evidence That Demands Our Amazement... Joseph Smith was a remarkable person"
	\|L8=Brigham Young (1855): "he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived."		\|L8=Brigham Young (1855): "he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived."
	\|L9=B.H. Roberts: "Joseph Smith was a man of like passions with other men; struggling with the same weaknesses; subjected to the same temptations"		\|L9=B.H. Roberts: "Joseph Smith was a man of like passions with other men; struggling with the same weaknesses; subjected to the same temptations"
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			{{:Question: Was the young Joseph Smith a teller of "tall tales"}}
	{{:Question: Was Joseph Smith, Jr. known as a "disreputable person"}}		{{:Question: Was Joseph Smith, Jr. known as a "disreputable person"}}
	{{:Question: Do Joseph Smith's personality and temperament indicate that he was not a true prophet of God}}		{{:Question: Do Joseph Smith's personality and temperament indicate that he was not a true prophet of God}}
	~~{{:Stephen H. Webb: "Evidence That Demands Our Amazement... Joseph Smith was a remarkable person"}}~~
	{{:Question: Did Joseph Smith engage in "land speculation" in Nauvoo}}		{{:Question: Did Joseph Smith engage in "land speculation" in Nauvoo}}
	{{:Question: Did Joseph Smith really tell Orrin Porter Rockwell 'it was right to steal'}}		{{:Question: Did Joseph Smith really tell Orrin Porter Rockwell 'it was right to steal'}}
	~~{{:Question: Was the young Joseph Smith a teller of "tall tales"}}~~
	{{:Question: Did B.H. Roberts state that it was possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own}}		{{:Question: Did B.H. Roberts state that it was possible for Joseph Smith to have come up with the Book of Mormon on his own}}
			{{:Stephen H. Webb: "Evidence That Demands Our Amazement... Joseph Smith was a remarkable person"}}
	{{:Brigham Young (1855): "he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived."}}		{{:Brigham Young (1855): "he was an honorable man and dealt justly, we know his true character. But let his enemies give his character, and they will make him out one of the basest men that ever lived."}}
	{{:B.H. Roberts: "Joseph Smith was a man of like passions with other men; struggling with the same weaknesses; subjected to the same temptations"}}		{{:B.H. Roberts: "Joseph Smith was a man of like passions with other men; struggling with the same weaknesses; subjected to the same temptations"}}

GregSmith at 00:54, 7 May 2024

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	{{:Joseph Smith: "I frequently fell into many foolish errors, and displayed the weakness of youth, and the foibles of human nature"}}		{{:Joseph Smith: "I frequently fell into many foolish errors, and displayed the weakness of youth, and the foibles of human nature"}}
			{{:Joseph Smith (1834): "during this time, as is common to most, or all youths, I fell into many vices and follies"}}
	{{:Walker: In 1819 "Under New York law, being just thirteen, Joseph's testimony about the work he had performed was admissible only after the court found him competent"}}		{{:Walker: In 1819 "Under New York law, being just thirteen, Joseph's testimony about the work he had performed was admissible only after the court found him competent"}}

GregSmith at 00:51, 7 May 2024

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	{{:Joseph Smith: "I frequently fell into many foolish errors, and displayed the weakness of youth, and the foibles of human nature"}}		{{:Joseph Smith: "I frequently fell into many foolish errors, and displayed the weakness of youth, and the foibles of human nature"}}
	~~{{:Joseph Smith (1834): "during this time, as is common to most, or all youths, I fell into many vices and follies"}}~~
	{{:Walker: In 1819 "Under New York law, being just thirteen, Joseph's testimony about the work he had performed was admissible only after the court found him competent"}}		{{:Walker: In 1819 "Under New York law, being just thirteen, Joseph's testimony about the work he had performed was admissible only after the court found him competent"}}

GregSmith at 00:40, 7 May 2024

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GregSmith at 05:58, 30 April 2024

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	{{:Walker: In 1819 "Under New York law, being just thirteen, Joseph's testimony about the work he had performed was admissible only after the court found him competent"}}		{{:Walker: In 1819 "Under New York law, being just thirteen, Joseph's testimony about the work he had performed was admissible only after the court found him competent"}}


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